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« Reply #340 on: October 03, 2005, 09:18:12 PM »

(For the first time) I truly disagree with something this President has done

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...Are you fucking KIDDING me?

You can't think of a SINGLE OTHER THING the President has done that, at least in hindsight, seems like maybe a bad call?

That whole "Bin Laden Determined to Strike Inside US" thing wasn't a mistake?

That thing about Saddam having WMD's not such a problem?

Appointing a fucking incompetent ARABIAN HORSE LEAGUE MANAGER as DIRECTOR OF FEMA just in time for the worst natural disaster in the nation's history was not the slightest bit questionable?

For FUCK'S sake, Ono.

One would think you'd LIKE Miers.  After all, you and she seem to have something in common, what with this whole blind refusal to acknowledge that the President has ever made the slightest fuckup.
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« Reply #341 on: October 04, 2005, 02:22:38 AM »

(For the first time) I truly disagree with something this President has done

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...Are you fucking KIDDING me?

You can't think of a SINGLE OTHER THING the President has done that, at least in hindsight, seems like maybe a bad call?

That whole "Bin Laden Determined to Strike Inside US" thing wasn't a mistake?

That thing about Saddam having WMD's not such a problem?

Appointing a fucking incompetent ARABIAN HORSE LEAGUE MANAGER as DIRECTOR OF FEMA just in time for the worst natural disaster in the nation's history was not the slightest bit questionable?

For FUCK'S sake, Ono.

One would think you'd LIKE Miers.  After all, you and she seem to have something in common, what with this whole blind refusal to acknowledge that the President has ever made the slightest fuckup.

You misunderstand, perhaps because I was unclear, also likely because you are overreacting. I am not speaking in hindsight at all, only contemporaneously. I never disagreed with any of those things at the time they happened, and I think very few, if any, of even the most hardcore left criticized Bush for the Brown appointment, for example, until well after it had occurred and any error had become readily apparent. Since I didn't criticize or disagree with any of those decisions at the time, I'm not going to whine about them or the results--I pretty much have a blanket refusal to analyze anything using hindsight (not just politics, but investment or anything). This is the first real-time disagreement.

Well of course that's not entirely correct. For example, the steel tariffs, in the abstract, made my blood curdle. The point is that this, barring some miraculous retraction or turn-around, is the first deal-breaker. There is no such thing as an ideologically pure or omnicompetnet political being, or human being. I, and many others I suspect, long ago resolved to put up with any rationally conceivable compromise or failing on other issues so long as he never wavered in regard to judicial appointments, above all maintaining a strict NO SOUTERS [WE'VE ALREADY GOT ONE] rule on the clubhouse door. To many of us, this isn't the last straw at all, it's the first and only straw, the straw that counts.

I have the Internet. I've looked around. I'm not the only one feeling this way today [yesterday]. If you people have anything more than the out-of-proportion accusations of the totally disempowered, if you think you have something truly impeachable [I sincerely doubt it myself, but hey maybe you've been holding back] I encourage you to write your policy-makers now. It's not that anyone right of the aisle has the slightest interest in getting Bush--not like, let's face it, at least a few were out to hang Bill Clinton. It's just that now, for the first time, some of us have a total absence of bias in favor of the president and zero desire to defend the administration against any flak. Put your cards on the table, or, you know, just keep making fun of him and accomplishing zero in the way of stopping his agenda. I guess I'll be joining you now. Gee, the president is kind of funny looking, and he talks dumb. See, I feel better already. [No I don't.] [I'm new at this, I may require some pointers.]

If, in huff after huff at what you viewed as his increasingly serious debauches and missteps, you ever wondered just what it would take to shift any of those who uninterruptedly and happily still approved of Bush over into the disapprove column, well your answer is the last 24 hours or so.

He is a lame duck, now a nonentity just like his precious pitbull in size six shoes. We're moving on. It's election time, 2008, and I for one am hungry for some porkchop sandwiches.
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« Reply #342 on: October 04, 2005, 02:31:59 AM »

Wow.

I never would have thought one cruddy appointment meant more than the untold billions wasted, or the rampant death and destruction, blatant discrimination, corporate war profiteering, torture, treason, etc.

"You've gone mad with power, Bush!  Now you've really crossed the line!"

this nation is just totally fucking insane.
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« Reply #343 on: October 04, 2005, 02:49:51 AM »

Whatever it takes, man.  The way I see it, I was watching The West Wing last Sunday night - it's not a show I normally watch, but my stepfather loves it so I plumped myself down and sat through it.  One of the things that struck me is that there's a running... thing about the democratic candidate character constantly joking, "If the American people don't like it, I'LL be the first one unemployed."  The thing is, it's usually met with awkward, bemused stares, the unstated reason being, the Presidency isn't just a job you apply for and are fired from.  And that's the thing, man, is, well, a lot of people... 47-57% of America as of last week... actively want to fire this person from his job.  That's a true majority.

So yeah, you think about George Bush saying, "If the American people don't like it, I'LL be the first one unemployed," and the crowd looks back at him and says, "We can't do that, George."  And then you think, if you lined those people up, you can be statistically certain that every other person in that crowd will say, "But we'd like to."  So we treat him like the boss's son, wait for him to slip up and get his hand caught in a cookie jar or his cock caught in an intern and then get his ass out of there on whatever god damn pretense we need so we can clean up and hopefully get someone who knows how to do his damned job.  I don't care what it is.  If this is the stained dress we need, then we're set.  Let's go.
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« Reply #344 on: October 04, 2005, 03:23:10 AM »

I'm not entirely sure that Onomarchus is on "the pulse" of the "right", or that I should be attempting to articulate an opinion on anything, let alone politics, at this hour.

Arguing that Onomarchus should not have the opinion he does, at this stage, is counter-productive. As far as I'm concerned he's taken a step down a road that will (hopefully) make this country a place more agreeable to me. I am disturbed however, that someone would suggest that assessing things in hindsight is wrong, and that most of the complaints made by the "left" are inappropriate because of that, or because of powerlessness.

You, Onomarchus, have suggested that higher level (I presume, quantum) models of our universe are too nonsensical to be true, or at least worthy of whatever steps (would you approve of the phrase, "Intellectual suicide"?) it would take to understand them. I can't fault you for that, because that shit is crazy. I won't argue with you about that because it's neither here nor there, and I don't want to insult your intelligence by it. However, this would imply that you believe we live in a deterministic universe. It stands to reason then, that examining previous events for data that would be useful in the present is not only appropriate, but prudent. I can understand how you might argue that we have no way of knowing what course of action was "best" through hindsight, but I can't understand how you would argue that it is good for you to not analyze most things in hindsight.

Not to mention, of course that the "left" has been arguing (if futilely, it seems) against these decisions for the entire course of this administration, much like (I imagine) the "right" argued against Clintion's decidedly "left" stances on certain issues. Though I'm afraid, at the time I was preoccupied with whether or not the cute girl in class liked me and not on anything of much importance.

Oh God... I hope this makes sense in the morning. Please let this make sense in the morning.

EDIT: Brentai, the problem with Bush being removed from office would be that then, Cheney assumes presidency. While I agree with my grandmother ("He's not nearly so bad, as he's got one foot in the grave."), it's not a scenario I'd like to wake up to.

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« Reply #345 on: October 04, 2005, 07:02:52 AM »

However, this would imply that you believe we live in a deterministic universe. It stands to reason then, that examining previous events for data that would be useful in the present is not only appropriate, but prudent. I can understand how you might argue that we have no way of knowing what course of action was "best" through hindsight, but I can't understand how you would argue that it is good for you to not analyze most things in hindsight.

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I understand you called Ono a moron.



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« Reply #346 on: October 04, 2005, 08:50:59 AM »

Hindsight is 20/20 for a reason: so we can learn from previous mistakes.  This is what the entire branch of study called History is about.

I find it interesting that the Republican party is so keen on preventing hindsight.  He who controls the past controls the present, no?

"Hey guys, ignore your past bruises and cry with us as we shaft you over and over again!"
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« Reply #347 on: October 04, 2005, 10:14:28 AM »

Actually, I think it's "He who controls the past, controls the future. He who controls the present, controls the past."

Also, Atrios pretty well sums up the main reason why the right wing hates Miers so much:

"Wingnuttia is rather angry at the choice. I don’t think this is because they’re really concerned that she’s not conservative enough for their tastes, although that’s part of it. They’re angry because this was supposed to be their nomination. This is was their moment. They didn’t just want a stealth victory, they wanted parades and fireworks. They wanted Bush to find the wingnuttiest wingnut on the planet, fully clothed and accessorized in all the latest wingnut fashions, not just to give them their desired Court rulings, but also to publicly validate their influence and power. They didn’t just want substantive results, what they wanted even more were symbolic ones. They wanted Bush to extend a giant middle finger to everyone to the left of John Ashcroft. They wanted to watch Democrats howl and scream and then ultimately lose a nasty confirmation battle. They wanted this to be their “WE RUN THE COUNTRY AND THERE’S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT” moment."

Also also, in the words of The Editors:

"Note to wingnuts: all these concerns about “inexperience” and “cronyism” would be a touch more convincing if you didn’t just elect the nitwit son of the GOP’s first family President for the second time in a row."
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« Reply #348 on: October 04, 2005, 12:09:10 PM »

I don't read Atrios much.  Most blogs exist in that small, icky space of "too left for me."  But I gotta notice this one.

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Story one:


NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Sales tumbled at General Motors and Ford last month as record high gas prices and the automakers' own summer promotions finally took their toll.

Tough comparisons with strong results a year ago were also a factor, industry executives said.

GM, the world's biggest automaker, said U.S. sales overall sank 24 percent to 344,797 vehicles in September.

Sales of light trucks, which include pickups, sport/utility vehicles and vans, plummeted even more, off 30 percent from a year earlier, while car sales declined 14.5 percent.

Ford, the nation's No. 2 automaker, said September sales overall sank 19 percent to 228,157 vehicles.

Ford's sales of light trucks fell even more sharply, sinking 27 percent to 155,167.


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Toyota Motor Corp. said Monday that its U.S. vehicle sales jumped 10.3 percent in September as climbing car sales offset a slight decline in trucks.

The Japanese automaker - which sells car and trucks under the Toyota, Lexus and Scion brands - sold 178,417 vehicles during the month, up from 161,793 last September. Car sales jumped 22.2 percent to 107,551 vehicles, more than making up for a 3.9 percent decline in truck sales to 70,866 units.

God DAMN I wish Reagan were alive.  No matter how senile he got you know he'd always understand the words, "Our President has handed our economy to the Japanese."
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« Reply #349 on: October 04, 2005, 01:46:51 PM »

Oh, neat. I missed the Japanese economic menace. It's Robocop 3 all over again.
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« Reply #350 on: October 04, 2005, 04:37:52 PM »

I'll try not to think of how much worse the Otaku will be if Japan EVER gets out of its recession, thanks.
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« Reply #351 on: October 04, 2005, 08:11:23 PM »

You misunderstand, perhaps because I was unclear, also likely because you are overreacting. I am not speaking in hindsight at all, only contemporaneously. I never disagreed with any of those things at the time they happened, and I think very few, if any, of even the most hardcore left criticized Bush for the Brown appointment, for example, until well after it had occurred and any error had become readily apparent. Since I didn't criticize or disagree with any of those decisions at the time, I'm not going to whine about them or the results--I pretty much have a blanket refusal to analyze anything using hindsight (not just politics, but investment or anything). This is the first real-time disagreement.

...So in other words, you actually thought Saddam had WMD's.

I have the Internet. I've looked around. I'm not the only one feeling this way today [yesterday]. If you people have anything more than the out-of-proportion accusations of the totally disempowered, if you think you have something truly impeachable [I sincerely doubt it myself, but hey maybe you've been holding back] I encourage you to write your policy-makers now.

IRAQ.  IRAQ, FOR FUCK'S SAKE.

The President of the United States declared an illegal war on a nation which posed no threat to us.  All evidence indicates that he was well aware that said nation posed no threat to us.

There are also rumblings of his own direct involvement in the Plame scandal.

And the appointment of an attorney general who described the Geneva Conventions as "quaint" and "obsolete" in the wake of a massive torture scandal is sure suspicious.
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« Reply #352 on: October 05, 2005, 12:44:47 AM »

I have the Internet. I've looked around. I'm not the only one feeling this way today [yesterday]. If you people have anything more than the out-of-proportion accusations of the totally disempowered, if you think you have something truly impeachable [I sincerely doubt it myself, but hey maybe you've been holding back] I encourage you to write your policy-makers now.




The Declaration of Independence of the Fifty States
In CONGRESS, October 4, 2005

The unanimous Declaration of the fifty united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. —Such has been the patient sufferance of these States; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present President of the United States of America [George II] is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/bushdui1.html
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This is the 1976 Maine police document recording the arrest of George W. Bush for driving under the influence of alcohol. Bush, who was 30 at the time, was popped over the Labor Day weekend near his family's Kennebunkport summer home. Bush pleaded guilty to the misdemeanor DUI charge, paid a $150 fine, and had his driving privileges briefly revoked in the state of Maine.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

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We had the USS Baton sailing almost behind the hurricane so that after the hurricane made landfall it's search and rescue helicopters would be available almost immediately. So we had things ready. The only caveat is, we have to wait until the President authorizes us to do so. The laws of the United States say that the military can't just act in this fashion, we have to wait for the President to give us permission.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

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This administration has consistently played down the possibility of environmental disaster, in Louisiana and everywhere else. The president's most recent budgets have actually proposed reducing funding for flood prevention in the New Orleans area, and the administration has long ignored Louisiana politicians' requests for more help in protecting their fragile coast, the destruction of which meant there was little to slow down the hurricane before it hit the city.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

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As US forces escalated its bombings on Baghdad, US President George W. Bush held a war cabinet meeting at Camp David, a presidential retreat in Maryland,on Saturday to review the developments of war in Iraq.

The meeting, lasted for 90 minutes, was attended by Vice President Dick Cheney, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, White House chief of staff AndrewCard, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, CIA director George Tenet, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Richard Myers and other top administration and military officials, the Associated Press reported.

Bush is spending his first weekend at Camp David since the war began Wednesday night.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

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Anybody seen the Vice President lately? The man whose message this time last year was, 'I'll Protect You, The Other Guy Will Let You Die'?

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

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In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.

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"I actually listen to senators when they bring forth ideas," Bush said. " And one of the most interesting ideas I heard was, why don't you pick somebody who hasn't been a judge? Why don't you reach outside. ... And so, recognizing that Harriet will bring not only expertise, but a fresh approach, I nominated her."

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

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The department was established on November 25, 2002 by the Homeland Security Act and officially began operation on January 24, 2003. After months of discussion about employee rights and benefits and "rider" portions of the bill, Congress passed it shortly after the midterm elections, and it was signed into law by U.S. President George W. Bush. It was intended to consolidate U.S. executive branch organizations related to "homeland security" into a single cabinet agency.

It was the largest government reorganization in 50 years (since the United States Department of Defense was created). The department assumed a number of government functions previously in other departments. It superseded, but did not replace the Office of Homeland Security, which retained an advisory role.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.

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"I am deeply troubled by suggestions from the Bush administration that it is contemplating as one possibility an operation that would almost certainly have to be seen as 'war' in the constitutional sense, yet does not acknowledge that such a choice would need Congressional approval," Powell said. "My concern is that the administration is giving some indication that it does not appreciate the president's duty to make a judgment about his authority, not just a decision about what he thinks is the best policy."

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the consent of our legislatures.

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UNITED NATIONS, June 9 -- The Bush administration charged the European Union with actively undermining U.S. efforts to shield Americans from prosecution by the International Criminal Court and warned that the impact on transatlantic relations will be "very damaging" if the EU does not stop.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.

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Critics claim the Act is unnecessary and enables U.S. law enforcement to infringe upon free-speech, freedom of the press, human rights, and right to privacy. It is most controversial among critics for section 215 (see below) and section 216, which allows judges to grant government investigators ex parte orders to look into personal phone and internet records on the basis of being "relevant for an on going investigation concerning international terrorism or clandestine intelligence activities", rather than probable cause as outlined in the fourth amendment.

...President George W. Bush signed the bill into law on October 26, 2001. Assistant Attorney General Viet D. Dinh and current Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff are the primary authors of the Act.

...In some of these cases, federal prosecutors chose to charge suspects with non-terror related crimes for immigration, fraud and conspiracy.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

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Private Lynndie England found the sexual humiliation of Iraqis funny, the military court in Texas heard.

Prosecution lawyers are aiming to disprove defence claims that she fell under the influence of senior soldiers.

She faces 11 years in jail if convicted on charges of conspiracy, committing an indecent act and maltreating detainees.

Pte Jeremy Sivits - who has been sentenced to one year in prison for his own role in the abuse scandal - told the court that Pte England clearly enjoyed the abuse of prisoners.

Many were ordered to strip naked and were photographed in humiliating positions and forced to simulate sexual acts.

"She was laughing, she seemed to be having a good time with all that was going on," Pte Sivits told the court.
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FORT HOOD, Texas (AP) -- Army Pfc. Lynndie England, who said she was only trying to please her soldier boyfriend when she took part in detainee abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison, was sentenced late Tuesday to three years behind bars.

For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States and its Protectorates:

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European countries had vowed to respond to the tariffs, which were ruled illegal by the World Trade Organization, by imposing sanctions on up to $2.2 billion in exports from the United States, beginning as soon as Dec. 15. Japan issued a similar threat Wednesday.

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

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By next year, for instance, 88% of all Americans will receive $100 or less from the Administration's latest tax cuts.
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In 2005, the Bush budget assumes the "government will take in 13% more in taxes and fees next year than in fiscal 2004."

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/09/AR2005090900772.html
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A federal appeals court yesterday backed the president's power to indefinitely detain a U.S. citizen captured on U.S. soil without any criminal charges, holding that such authority is vital during wartime to protect the nation from terrorist attacks.

For depriving us, in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

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In late December 2001, a memorandum was sent from the United States Justice Department to the Department of Defense.(4) It advised the Pentagon that no US District Court could "properly entertain" appeals from "enemy aliens" detained at the US Naval Base in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba. Because Cuba has "ultimate sovereignty" over Guantánamo, the memorandum asserted, US Supreme Court jurisprudence meant that a foreign national in custody in the naval base should not have access to the US courts. The first "war on terror" detainees were transferred to the base two weeks later.

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

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WASHINGTON -- The Bush administration repealed a Clinton-era rule that prevents the government from awarding federal contracts to businesses that have broken environmental, labor, tax or other federal laws.

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

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Section 203 of the International Emergency Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1702) is amended--
(1) in subsection (a)(1)--
(A) at the end of subparagraph (A) (flush to that subparagraph), by striking `; and' and inserting a comma and the following:
`by any person, or with respect to any property, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States;';
(B) in subparagraph (B)--
(i) by inserting `, block during the pendency of an investigation' after `investigate'; and
(ii) by striking `interest;' and inserting `interest by any person, or with respect to any property, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States; and';
(C) by striking `by any person, or with respect to any property, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States`; and
(D) by inserting at the end the following:
`(C) when the United States is engaged in armed hostilities or has been attacked by a foreign country or foreign nationals, confiscate any property, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, of any foreign person, foreign organization, or foreign country that he determines has planned, authorized, aided, or engaged in such hostilities or attacks against the United States; and all right, title, and interest in any property so confiscated shall vest, when, as, and upon the terms directed by the President, in such agency or person as the President may designate from time to time, and upon such terms and conditions as the President may prescribe, such interest or property shall be held, used, administered, liquidated, sold, or otherwise dealt with in the interest of and for the benefit of the United States, and such designated agency or person may perform any and all acts incident to the accomplishment or furtherance of these purposes.'; and
(2) by inserting at the end the following:
`(c) CLASSIFIED INFORMATION- In any judicial review of a determination made under this section, if the determination was based on classified information (as defined in section 1(a) of the Classified Information Procedures Act) such information may be submitted to the reviewing court ex parte and in camera. This subsection does not confer or imply any right to judicial review.'.

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

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"Nice puss / bad foot"

The page titled "Nice puss / bad foot" is devoted to the photo of a nude woman laying down on a table, her foot has been blown off by a land mine, blood, muscle, skin and bone are dangling in its place, and her naked crotch is clearly visible in the photo (thus the reference to "puss"). This is a sanitized version of the photo (unsanitized version here):

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

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In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by the Authority of the good People of these States, solemnly publish and declare, That these United States are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the current presidency, and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

The signers of the Declaration represented the states as follows:

California

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« Reply #353 on: October 05, 2005, 11:12:28 PM »

Worthy of Arc.

You are SO karma'd.  Have my children.
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« Reply #354 on: October 06, 2005, 12:30:37 AM »

Try and make your civil war a little less bloody this time around. Last time around you beat the south through nothing but numbers and zergling tactics. It wasn't pretty and I don't think you'll be able to use that method this time.
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« Reply #355 on: October 06, 2005, 12:52:44 AM »

Well, a bloodless changing of the guard would be nice.  Failing that...

I don't know.  I don't think anybody's going to go and create a scenario where both sides of the conflict are the only nation in the world to ever use an atomic weapon.
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« Reply #356 on: October 06, 2005, 02:02:12 AM »

McCain's anti-torture bill passes the Senate by an overwhelming margin.  Bush has huffed and puffed about a veto, but that seems unlikely given the following:

1. Bush has threatened to veto bills on several occasions but never actually done it;
2. Bush's approval is at an all-time low;
3. Vetoing these provisions would entail vetoing the massive military spending bill they're attached to;
4. We're about to see a second wave of Abu Ghraib photos;
5. 90% is WELL the fuck above a veto-proof majority and I think odds are pretty good this'll pass the House with at least 2/3 too.

Curiously enough, none of the articles I've read on the subject so far mention #4 or #5.
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« Reply #357 on: October 06, 2005, 10:48:45 PM »

The nine pro-torture votes, via Bob:

Allard (R-CO)
Bond (R-MO)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Stevens (R-AK)

The abstention was Corzine (D-NJ).
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« Reply #358 on: October 17, 2005, 12:44:42 AM »

Maybe now the fundies can shut the fuck up and let doctors save people's lives.
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« Reply #359 on: October 19, 2005, 07:08:55 PM »

I won't spoil this.  You HAVE to fucking read it.

Big article, but well worth reading the whole thing.  God fucking damn.

Humanity is totally, totally fucked.
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